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Sunday, September 18, 2005

 
impromptu debating galore

so today annie, danielle and i got together to do some work together. they had to do calc, and i had to do chem, and then we did algebra together. but thats only half of the story. well, seeing as how we all just met each other (over the course of this past week) i definately learned a few new things about them today.

a) well all have our own point of view on certain controversial topics,
b) we all feel very adamantly towards the views we have
c) no one will budge,
d) danielle and i like to debate, annie likes to yell (ok thats a lie, annie debates too, but she does like to yell)

so yea, we went through a few topics and it felt pretty cool. 3 people from 3 (kind of) different backgrounds giving their opinions on things. the best part was just how it even started. i believe we were talking about the masculinity of the colour pink. and then danielle and annie both said that it was very metrosexual. i hopped in and said not at all. SOMEHOW the issue of homosexuality came up. annie then says a few things that were super offensive towards homosexuals, and it became apparent that she was without a doubt, homophobic. now would be a good time to add that annie is a Christian. now would also be a good time to add danielle is atheist. so there was annie, who was being very ignorant, she said so herself, and the comments that she kept making were completely out of line and were completely ignorant remarks; there was me who took the stance that a sin is a sin is a sin is a sin, no matter what it is, its the same in God's eyes and being straight doesnt make you better off than someone who is gay, and that ultimately it wasnt your sexual orientation that saved you, it was the saving knowledge and acknowledgement of Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour that would save you; and then there was danielle who was soooo against what annie was saying and jsut sticking up for equal rights for all. so that went on for a really long time, and well, annie was definately digging herself a grave as she spoke. she was well, i've said this word numerous times before and it may be getting redundant, but she is nothing shy of ignorant. i think even i was slightly offended by some of the things that she said. she took her homophobia too far. she generalized all homosexuals and just put them in a box and made assumptions aboutall of them. she even asked the question "can you be a Christian and gay?" THAT was upsetting. especially becuase there was a non-christian there with us the whole time. this showed to her a few things. that a) the people of the faith can't even agree on things, and b) that their suspicions were correct, that the media had been portraying Christians properly, that we were all just completely oblivious to the lives of those around us who are not in our community of faith. and well i would have been glad to go all out with that one particular debate, i had to remained pretty rserved about some of the things i said. i really had to think about HOW to say the things i wanted to say, simply becuase there was a non-christian there who would have picked all of our words apart and analyze them. thats just who danielle is.

that said, we grabbed some dinner and that topic slowly died (thankfully). and then i dont even know HOW but somehow abortion came up. annie was not part of this one. she was pretty quiet the whole time. but danielle and i took two different sides to it, and we started going on and on and on about it. neither of us was going to budge. we knew what we believed, we stood for what we stood for. we both had our reasons. i can see her reasons for feeling a certain way, and she saw my side of the argument as well, but in the end, well, nothing got done, so we simply shook on it and that was it.

i later regrattablu brought up another topic, in which i didn't feel so adamantly about, but it clearly affected annie and it definately rubbed her the wrong way. i dropped numerous hints to danielle to drop the subject beucase annie was taking it really personally and it was getting out of hand, but she didnt notice my attempts. but then that ended (i dont remember how) and i was nothing shy of relieved.

but in all, they are super cool people. we have fun times together, and its nice when we get into such heated debates. i had fun. i liked how we had not 2, but 3 vastly different viewpoints on topics. we never once agreed. often two people would come close to agreeing, but never close enough to really be in agreeance. tonight was definately exciting and a real eye opener. i hope more will come.

speaking of having different viewpoints, the funny thing is the three of us ar just pretty different in general, its odd how we spend so much of our time together. we are quite an odd combination if i do say so myself. they're civil engineers too! so yea, we can get togehter to hang out, argue, fight, study...everything.

man im really tired now and i really want to make it to the early morning CFC service tomorrow. goodnight all.

Comments:
thats so awesome that you've found these friends and that you can debate these things and still be ok.

they're pretty edgy topics especially when you're such new friends.
 
yea, definately edgy topics. but you really get to know people so much more when these things happen. when you debate something like this, you know more than just their veiwpoint on that particular topic, but i think it speaks a lot about the person as well. so it was pretty cool. and yes, there was one other topic that i didn't mention, and annie was really worked up about it. for her, i guess it was personal and i think it would be safe to say that there were times when she was just pissed off. i wasnt in that one, but danielle was and i kept trying to motion for her to just drop the subject, but she didnt get my messages. anyways, this is quite the long comment so yea *poof*
 
[legit 745.2]

everything can be taken so critically.. it's rather funny.

seconds ago, the first gay christian I ever met was in my room. Not judging.

But, there are many things that just don't seem to make sense to you/me/you/everyone else.

However, you just have to respect it.

this went absolutely no where
 
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